The cost is minimal compared to the benefits. DanHey Paul,Ive got an old single wide hillcrest trailer. I am intending to use 1x 6 boards for the door, a metal track system from National Hardware, and a required 2x 6 board to attach everything to the wall. Well, you canwith the right compliance method. You'd need to know if it's furring strips or a stud wall (one-by, 2x4's or 2x6's?). Im re-doing the bath and have had nightmares! CarolThanks for your replay. It was fairly common for older wood-framed buildings to have siding installed directly on the studs, without any intervening sheathing. It makes me wonder what could be done by someone with a case of caulk who knows what he is doing.The thing is, while the wall construction looks fragile, it did meet HUD standards. (Yeslots of money not wisely spent I knowI knowI knowbut had to live there much longer than planned and I couldnt stand the added depression from living in ugly.) Fiberglass batts are R3.5 for every inch, but spray foam . The outside walls are very often 2x6, and of course there are tons of 2x4 walls in the interior that need headers. How? ft Ive been patching and sealing the metal roof and removing the rust. The wall frames were often infilled with vertical planks along with a whole bunch of other stuff. It seems to me the insurance company shouldnt need to know anything else. Thank you again for being on the web. Can I remove the flat ceiling and vault the ceiling? A. JackieI have a 1998 16 x 80 Skyline mobile home with the original roof/siding. Testing. There are variations from factory to factory, but the homes are all built the same way. Perhaps test it in one room and watch it for problems? When moved in asked for inspection and was told the Mobile home is structurally sound. In the 1950s, plywood sheathing and particleboard became common, and, today, most standard-construction roofs use either half-inch plywood or particleboard's big brother, oriented-strand board (OSB). During the late 1940s or early 1950s, builders in many areas of North America switched to planed 2x4s that measure 1.5" x 3.5". I would like to install a ribbed metal roof over it on perlings. (better) code is good. It also lead to the introduction of layers of horizontally installed boards thicker than the clapboards - called sheathing all for the purpose of supporting the clapboards. The potential electrical problems need to be checked by someone with the right tools and the experience to know how to spot hidden damage. Can it be cut out?PaulHi Dena,Your question is getting deeper into structural engineering than I am comfortable trying to answer. Which one was selected often depended on the presence of a sawmill and the water to power it the thicker boards tended to be sawn whereas the clapboards were split and didnt need a sawmill. Many years ago I called the factory where the mobile home was made, but what they sent me really did not show how this house was made.If you can help us get the plane we would appreciate it.Sincerely: TerryPaulI have never known anyone to have any luck getting plans to even new homes. The completed floor is then rolled to a prep area where one person gets under the home and drives lag bolts through the metal frame members (outriggers) and into the floor joists. That should make things much easier! How did we keep the water out of all those buildings before the use of building paper? "Was there a time when brick foundation walls were in general use or is that also variable?". Inspectors are looking for water leaks, dripping faucets, improperly connected light switches, etc. The walls get a 14" top and bottom plate, as well as fire-rated interior paneling and often metal anchor bonding times for added rigidity. It's a good idea to know the size of the framing in your house. The manufacturer is not responsible for damage in transit or what happens on the dealers lot. Still, fundamentals in the lumber complex continued to be supported by tight supplies and prospects of a rebound in home construction. Wood floors should not actually be as much of a problem since their weight is spread out and largely supported by the floor joists and main I beams. Allan, Could you post a picture? We are trying to roughly figure out what a 1971 Safeway 48x24ft trailer weighs empty. Specify 24-inch on-center for 2x6 wall framing rather than 16-inch on-center 2x4 wall framing. teriI have a neighbor that has a 1974 mobile home with a rubber roof that he cant stop the leaks so he is putting on a shingled roof with joists every 2 ft. Will the side walls hold this much weight?PaulWho knows? ft. with 2x10 exterior walls. We have installed 16 pine tongue and groove boards around the house to give it a cabin feel. I would like to cover the floors with plywood and then install wood floors I know I will have to do some shimming. In the 1950s the board sheathing began to be replaced with plywood. 2x4 studs are used for interior walls. Mobile Homes built before 1976 were constructed to much lower standards than those built later. Another question i have been meaning to ask is how vapour permeable is plaster and lath, these days i doubt it matters but if i ever do the exterior insulation (if i win the lottery first) it might become relevant. It seems like a huge expense. Without a sawmill we tended to see more vertical smaller posts spaced more closely together in place of sheathing. are cut and the electrical boxes installed. Should I do anything? Cleaned cattle hair and mineral wool came later followed by cellulose (the best use for the NY Times I can think of). The third really big thing was the milling of logs into dimensional pieces of lumber each one the same as the next and the really important part these dimensional pieces of lumber were mass-produced. Floor Prep. Sometimes the hitch was welded on so skirting around it would be much cheaper than removing it. Photograph 3: Wattle-and-DaubThis is a timber frame house in Wales, United Kingdom, with the wattle-and-daub exposed. Trimout is where the mistakes get found and, hopefully, taken care of. Studs are the vertical boards and are normally 2 x 4 and spaced every 16 in a manufactured home. I have never seen any outside of the factory.Have you taken a pencil to the numbers for the work you plan? While I can take or leave 'Stumpy Nubs' brand of humor, I thought this was pretty good - a Roubo-style workbench made from 2x6 construction lumber, complete with dogs and spots for holdfasts. A collection of one thousand construction details organized by climate and house part. Last year, a sharp drop . He argues that balloon framing has its origins in maison en boulin construction a type of French Missouri construction used in towns along the Mississippi River. At what ACH do i need to consider an HRV (i also have a gas cooking stove and chimney vent water tank, furnace was replaced with 95.5AFUE with intake and exhaust 6 months ago). Brian1968 Taylor mobile home at the beach. Hes tried everything we can think of replaced the bolts and washers ; moved the toilet so it didnt touch the wall; put sealant on washers it still LEAKS!! I really appreciate the fast reply. We simply use 1"x6" lumber to frame around the door. So what was the function of the building paper? We have a roof built over our trailer (and existing addition alongside); I want to open up between the trailer and the addition. The house appears to have been originally 3 rooms (living and two bedrooms now) and an extension with crawlspace was added later (also made the same way except for one partial wall, barnboard-plater-lath-plaster, entire house balloon framed). Thanks for the replies Martin and Malcolm, when i moved in the blower door registered 17.68ACH50 (i have a crummy crawlspace) and with a few repairs i am now at 14.85ACH50 so i have a lot to do still, but i do hope that once i airseal the ceiling and dig out and poly the crawl i should have it reduced quite a bit. Any thoughts? Siding. Constructed shelters were one means by which human beings were able to adapt . An 8 x 8-inch nominal board is actually 7 x 7 inches. Were houses insulated in the 1950s? Am I able to take down the interior walls without worrying about structural integrity? This feature has been temporarily disabled during the beta site preview. After framing and siding, before wiring and plumbing, build a second wall inside the exterior wall, running parallel. but others don't think it's a necessary upgrade. It is the 2x6 stud, usually 8ft long, which are used for framing the exterior walls around the whole house. Screwed these strips to the ceiling trusses. No water on wall, window or ceiling. They really do not have the strength to support more weight.For what you describe I think you will need to think about a roof-over with all the weight of new materials supported by posts set on the ground.Paul, JustinI have a shult single wide made in 2001. Is there a safe way to access the attic area to look for damage. Im not sure I am visualizing your layout correctly, but things like seats are normally installed last and have no load bearing or sturctural importance.Janet SteuerI bought a 1969 Detroiter, 12 x 65 with a 12 x 50 addition on it.. a friend of mine put 6x6s in the entry between living room and addition room. I WANT to put a sloped tin roof over top of the EPDM wrapped rubber roof that leaks like a sieve but might have to put vertical beams outside to take the weight. Todays sheathing and cladding (a.k.a. I see the industry standard wall for most of North America circa 2015 being 2x6 advanced frame at 24-inch centers with exterior foam insulating sheathing and a spray applied cavity insulation lined with gypsum board (Photograph 5). Thanks for any input.PaulI dont know. All this gets us balloon framing. I see, mine are rough sawn and of course old. Mobile homes are built to handle snow loads and other stresses, so there may be enough strength to do what you plan, especially since what you describe spreads out the load.It may not apply in your case, but many mobile home owners dont realize the walls are supported on outriggers which are not designed to hold extra weight either. Its those linings and cavity fills that we are going to look at more closely. The trusses were designed to handle a load from the top and would never stand up to the use you describe. Please include what you were doing when this page came up and the Cloudflare Ray ID found at the bottom of this page. https://uwaterloo.ca/heritage-resources-centre/sites/ca.heritage-resources-centre/files/uploads/files/heritage_resources_centre_architectural_styles_guide_reduced.pdf. I MIGHT have water before winter sets in this year.PaulGood luck with all that.I find it hard to imagine making a mobile home weather tight in your climate.Paul. Daubers were the folks who plastered the outside of wood framed buildings.5 The ingredients yield the classic combination of binders, aggregates and reinforcement combinations that today form the basis of modern stucco.6 Wattle-and-daub panels that infilled exposed timber frames gave us the classic Tudor look - lime plaster (white) coatings between tar coated (black) timbers (Photograph 4). The Norwegians and Swedes are well known for their vertical board-and-batten siding the origins of which can be directly traced back to their ancient stave churches (Photograph 1). Mobile Homes built before 1976 were constructed to much lower standards than those built later. I am havingtrouble with the kitchen sink drain. In REM Design there is a built-in module that lets you easily determine if you pass the Michigan Energy Code. Even homes with so called permanent foundations have a gap between the bottom of the mobile home wall and the top of the foundation.Leslie FayThanks for the advice/information!!! The home otherwise looks good and is on its own land, but not permanent foundation. RexaI want to put up an interior wall to make two rooms from one. So how do I find out where the ceiling wires are? HOME; INTERIORS; EXTERIORS; OFFICE & PORTRAITS; PUBLICITY/EVENTS; CONSTRUCTION; INFO Look below all the window sills for evidence that caulk around the window frame has failed and is letting water seep through. he I exterior walls our made up of 2*2 squares, not the 2+4 studs as we were told.Where can we get the plans on how our Mobile Home was really put together? Do you mind sharing your opinion on installing a barn door on an interior wall of a 1981 Marlette? It began with the purely functional need for a controlled environment to moderate the effects of climate. Photograph 1: Stave ChurchBorgund, Laerdal, Norway, 12th Century. 2x6 construction is common in colder climates. It looks like it might be the tow bar but ive really no idea. Kevin great info. That study can be found at. I just recently modeled a 2200 sq/ft house with a 2-car garage, lets call it the McCabe Residence, in the energy modeling software REM Design. Cavity insulation not yet installed. Special door jambs and window casings are needed for 2-by-6-inch construction, though, so it's a good idea to know if you have it in your house. You should ask your builder to get a copy of the Super Good Cents standards. Authority: 42 U.S.C. This was adopted by the various provinces and municipalities in Canada during the next 20 years. I think you are going to find a plastic vapor barrier, insulation and trusses above your tile. Pargeting is often referred to as the decorative relief in the plaster itself. Hope this is of some help: A physical inspection needs someone young and skinny who knows where to (carefully) place their hands and feet or you will be coming back to the website to look into ceiling repairs. Thanks for the opportunity to respond.PaulPlugging the ends would keep wasps from making nests there, but the heat might do that anyhow. The nominal 2x4 thus became the actual 1 x 3, imperceptibly, a fraction of an inch at a time. Better quality manufactured homes will have 26 studs and more affordable homes will have 2x3s. Approximately 150 production workers will produce 10-12 floors per day. So if you work where you are not on a direct line between a wall switch and a factory installed ceiling fixture you are probably OK.Obviously, I have no way to be certain of that. For many years now new mobile homes have been required to meet HUD standards for wind resistance. If the ceiling is to be textured, it is picked up and moved to a spray/paint area where someone can walk around under it and apply the coating(s). Is this a split-top Roubo, made with hard maple? Anyone wanting to move one of them has to find/buy/rent them. Vinyl is put in place and stapled around the edges (no adhesive). I have a 1978 hillcrest mobile home. Everyone who has done home renovation or repair projects knows that. You do NOT want to do anything that might weaken them.It would be much cheaper to buy a bed that fits.PaulTammieI was afraid that was the answer I was going to get, lol, thank you for replying, Paul. My concern is the wiring. JonaI live in a 1978 double wide, not sure the make and model, I wanted to hang a swing in my sons room and was wondering if there should be studs or something in the ceiling to hang it from or if it would be a good idea, the swing is a cacoon like swing from IKEA. We still see this distinction today regionally in the United States and in Australia and New Zealand, no sheathing, just an exterior cladding. Is it functional? He told me I dont have plywood on the outside of the house. Lets look at some insulation options relative to a baseline of 2x4 with R-15 batt: The cost to build with 2x4 prescriptively is extremely high, adding up to $6,264 in costs. I am sure there are ways to strengthen supports and distribute the load, but I am not qualified to make suggestions.Paul, Edward DeMatteoI am getting close to retire and looking at a 55 + community where they have a 2004 fleetwood 1470 for sale for 24k with a garage and driveway. Framework - Lumber image by Jeffrey Zalesny from, Framework - Lumber image by Jeffrey Zalesny from Fotolia.com. Although it is more expensive than 2-by-4-inch framing, 2-by-6-inch framing is used for a number of reasons. Homes that are not quite ready to ship will back up in the yard. 110 sheets. This 2,742-sq.-ft. Good thinking about where to place it.Paul. 2019 OZERCC: Part I Commercial construction - ASHRAE Standard 90.1-2016 - Effective Oct. 1, 2019 International Energy Conservation Code (IECC) 2019 OZERCC: Part II Multi-family construction - 2018 (IECC) - Effective Oct. 1, 2019 I basically gutted the interior.I hung drywall on the ceilings and all walls 1/2 aprox. One more question for Paul: can we cut off the tongue and pull out the bench seat existing?PaulHi Alison,Cutting off the tongue shouldnt be a problem. By the beginnings of the 20th century the wood frame wall pretty much looks familiar to many of us. If your house . The term clapboards comes from the Dutch klaphout (klappen, to split, crack). Big wood rats get up there, and I really need to get it sealed off..my floors get cold! The point where the bottom of the truss rests on top of the ceiling panel is sprayed with a quick setting foam adhesive. For any nominal lumber size up to 6 inches, the dimensional size is inch smaller. Impregnated felts and coated papers came much later. MonaHi Paul,Thank you for the very informative site. Any London property built after 1983 should already have cavity wall insulation fitted, but in older homes it may not be present. It seems to have been in use much earlier in the eastern parts of England (Norfolk, Suffolk, Essex, familiar names to the Yanks who were stationed there during the Second World War with the Eighth Air Force). The end of World War II caused the modular market to truly explode and greatly evolve. Its surface rusting in spots and a couple of the seams are leaking. Nails used to be made by hand by smiths. Look at the ceiling for evidence of water stains. As I was researching this project I ran across a similar study on a 2,350 sq/ft house with similar details and the author came up with a total cost increase of $1,951.56 or $.83 per sq/ft of living space. The end walls are fastened into place and interior walls placed. I own one myself and would like your opinion on how often to re-level my 1492 sq. I have read that the interior walls are not load bearing, but are they secured to the roof rafters at all? Developed in the late 1970s, OSB is made of rectangular wood strands glued and pressed together. Here in rural Vermont, builders are still sometimes building new homes with rough-cut full-dimension 2x4s (or, more commonly, 2x6s) cut on a bandsaw mill. This technology pre-dates the Greeks and Egyptians. And our electric rates are some of the lowest in the country and our climate is fairly mild, particularly compared to yours. Q. I was taught that a parge coat was the cementious rendering applied to the exterior of masonry foundation walls (to reduce groundwater entry) or to the interior of masonry mass walls (to reduce air leakage and water penetration), and finally to the interior of chimneys to improve gas tightness. This is where knowing exactly who is responsible for what will be essential. They're commonly used in structural construction projects such as framing walls in a house or building a deck. Was any wind strapping used then? weatherboarding) appear to be descended from the original timber frame vertical plank infill. Alan, Some companies recommend 16 O.C. I can see outside in the worst spots! The wall we want to remove is 46 long, will this still cause a problem and if so what would be the issue. It certainly wasnt designed for it. Snap traps sometimes catch a mouse or other animal as they walk by and dont kill immediately. JohnI have an 89 FW reflections 1480. If this is to be a metal roof, there is no decking and a large roll of metal is unrolled over the house. Lets look at these 2 options: $3.00 sq/ft- 2x4 construction and use 3 of closed cell foam in the cavity. It produces a structurally sounder frame and thus a stronger house. wired into place. Thats what a thousand years of evolution will get you. So we had two approaches going here. Working in construction for years I am able, but have no experience with mobiles. When you buy a older mobile home on leased land you are REALLY locked in. If you have any type of blueprint to a trailer that old I would greatly appreciate it.ThanksPaulIm not an engineer, and have never seen any plans that show how such an opening must be supported. Asphalt shingle roof systems work great and are long-lasting up to 20 to 30 years. So the old shingles have to come off. Average U value- Beef up insulation in some areas so you can skimp in others as long as the average U-Vale is the same or better than a reference house. After that, all the savings go directly into your pocket. At the same time, the plumbing people are installing showers and tubs and the cabinet and mirror people are fastening their things in place. http://info.turnerandsonhomes.com/blog/cost-to-build-a-house-2x6-walls. In addition the walls rest on the very end of the outriggers so weight their puts the maximum stress (leverage) onto the support system. JonaThanks for your reply, sadly I dont have that kind of space available. Start Off Strong With Dimensional Lumber Dimensional lumber refers to softwood lumber that has been milled on all sides to common sizes, including 2 by 4, 2 by 8, 2 by 10 and 2 by 12. to see if there are any places the floor feels spongy. Can you tell me if this is a common practice in these types of homes? I had a roofer (who has worked on mobile homes) tell me that he can remove the metal roof, lay OSB, and install a rubber sealed roofing material. If you are a developer building 2,200 sq/ft houses, saving $2,141.90 per house can add up! This connects the home proper to the metal frame. They can pull the trap a long way before they stop moving. Mobile home tires are inflated to 2.5 times the usual pressure so blowouts are not uncommon. Virtually all of the homes we build have 2x6 exterior walls, one we are about to start is a 7,000 sq. Faith YoungHi Paul. I want to tear all off, metal and tear out floors one end to other but would love some drawings to go off of if you can save me a lot of workPaulHi Jill,If you find any, please let me know. Could we place a support beam across the ceiling, or would that have to much weight for the house?PaulIm sure that with the proper support in the ceiling and possibly some extra support under the home it can be done. Its been well maintained over the years and Ive done some work. PaulHi Paul; I want to add a 30x16 porch to a 12x65 trailer, will the outside wall sustain the roofweight or should Iuse 44 under the 2x6x30 board?PaulDont add ANY weight to the home! DwightI have a 1992 14 x 70 mobile home and it has the factory metal roof. Cut the 4 x 4 to a length that makes a tight fit between the top of the block and the bottom of the wall. I work on cabins that are built from 1900 to the present which go from full size lumber to mid size to todays standard size. If you will have to hire all the work done, it will get expensive fast.I hope this doesnt come across as totally negative. Photograph 5: Building AmericaAdvanced frame 2x6 structure, studs on 24 inch centers, single top and bottom plates, 1.5 inches foil faced polyisocyanurate insulating sheathing. Past water or drain leaks frequently make the insulation so heavy it tears through the belly material and you can see it hanging down. Frank Nunes, when I refer to you as a dauber I am not insulting youit was an honorable old profession and you are certainly getting older. Now suppose an electrical breaker blows whenever the AC comes on. However, they represent two distinct evolutionary branches but with a common ancestor. Balloon framed buildings are certainly lighter than those built with the earlier braced frame method, but in my experience, properly constructed, they have survived quite well. From the same source, mobile home "is the term used for manufactured homes produced prior to June 15, 1976, when the HUD Code went into effect." [2] Now it is plugged againand my 50 snake would not unplug it. joeSo my mobile home is to old to move so I am wanting to take the axles off of it is there any way that could cause an issuePaulAll the houses I moved were supported on blocks with the wheels and axels hanging from their mounts with no weight on them. A layer of rock-wool insulation is blown in on top of the ceiling. In December, lumber prices hit thier lowest level, falling briefly below the $400 per thousand board feet mark (a key indicator for the market performance of this commodity.) I think it is just what Im looking for. . At the very least, could I remove the existing, ugly ceiling and replace it with the bead board or some other material?VickyPaulCertainly you can replace the existing ceiling tile with something you like better. It's fairly common to see stucco-clad buildings in California without any sheathing, and clapboard siding was often installed directly on the studs in many older wood-framed buildings in the Northeast, especially in rural areas. Everything is done with jigs from a few plans. The water control function of building paper seemed to have been introduced in the 1930s and even then it was not widespread. These are much the same as any site-built home. Ceiling is sound right now with no problems that we can see. Cloudflare Ray ID: 7a277ab26c053b50 If the grooves are seated properly and care is taken to make sure the panels are lined up before they are nailed in place, the materials themselves produce nice straight edges. Why? Lumber's price remains well above its pre-pandemic range of $350 to $500, however. Im surprised the thing is still standing. The ceiling or wall panels are then set in place.So you end up with a solid bead of glue the entire width of the 2 x 4 that runs from one end to the other.I have heard complaints about what a chore it is to remove all the old glue, but never that the glue joint has failedPaul, LeeDear Paul,Trying to help a friend who has a 1982 Marlette, 1470. K. AustinWe are moving into a 76 by 16 single wide mobile home. The appliances in it will be covered by their manufacturers warranty. Five or six people can do all this in an hour or less. It has been argued that it happened the other way around. A measurement of ~10" could either be a single course with 2x6's, two courses with furring or just a giant gap. You might find this link entertaining http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2003/JackGreen.shtmlI suppose one of them could find a small soft spot but even that seems unlikely.Enjoy your party.Paul, Manufactured home warranties Mobile homes come with warranties. So, I called Pella windows and selected a standard 3x4 vinyl window and the price difference was $25 per window and $50 per standard door. In 1958, the first double section off-site built home was constructed to a local building code, and thus the modular housing industry was born! Does this sound feasible? Copyright 1997-2023, buildingscience.com Corporation If a couple of tires go at once and the frame hits the ground, it can be bent, making future leveling impossible. Did water get under it, was the soil not properly compacted, etc. And for us more progressive folks I see a much greater thickness of exterior insulating sheathing and a hybrid cavity fill an R-50 wall. What is 2x6 construction? As wood frame building technology evolved the timber frames tended to get completely covered with lath-and-daub thereby protecting the timber frame. Will I be able to wall that back in as well? Drivers occasionally rub against traffic signs etc. ruler, just measure the thickness of the exterior wall at any door or window opening. Ten percent less lumber (board-footage) and 30 percent fewer pieces. CarolWe have a double wide and want to take down a closet in the middle of the kitchen, to open up to the living area, should be be worried about a support beamPaulIf the wall you want to remove is on the marriage line where the two halves of the house come together you do NOT want to remove it. We might be able to estimate based on the style. ), or even to the plywood, and leave the 22s exposed and paint them. However, I never messed with load bearing walls and cant offer any specific suggestions. Once the word gets out, I predict a big increase . This vertical wood siding weather protection technology made an early appearance in Canada with log piece sur piece buildings constructed by the Hudsons Bay Company.3 In England the practice was to install the weatherboards horizontally in the form of clapboards. Clapboards were traditionally riven boards in that they were split totheir appropriate thickness. This technology subsequently made its way to New England with the colonists.4. So if you see such framing and are wondering how it passed, they probably also used blue insulation on the outside, or something else to achieve r20. reassuring words for boyfriend. Drivers are paid by the mile, so they like to make time. Lumber prices have had a volatile year. They're inset on the floor with dado cuts that securely join the floor and walls. Performance- I have passed using several different home designs. It has a crimped galvanized sheet metal roof. (if you get snow). Spray foam insulation was much easier to incorporate in home construction because it expanded and could . Toilets leak, windows get left open in the rain, flower pots leak, and all can cause floor problems.